Regional Conference Presidents pull invitation to Bishop T.D. Jakes

By: Regional Conference Presidents
Date: 08/05/11
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The Regional Conference Presidents, with full support of the Pastoral Evangelism and Leadership Conference (PELC) planning committee, has made a decision after much deliberation and prayer, to pull back on our invitation to Bishop T.D. Jakes to share a leadership presentation at this year’s PELC. Our invitation to Bishop Jakes to speak at PELC is a continuation of the sixteen-year, successful outreach to ministers of other faith communities for the purpose of they’re having direct exposure to Seventh-day Adventist and our unique journey and mission.

The Lord has used these seasons of close contact to break down barriers and prejudices---providing greater understanding to those who have not always grasped the special calling of Seventh-day Adventist. Many, if not all, of our clergy colleagues of other faith communities have come away from their time in this unique setting among Adventist pastors with a greater appreciation and regard for our church. There is no doubt that God can and will in the future use strategically some of these contacts for His own purposes on behalf of our people.

While it should be noted that Ellen White directly encouraged reaching out in collegiality to “ministers and men of Influence,” unfortunately, there have been those who were sincerely unaware of the counsel that Ellen White provided relative to these endeavors. This clearly represents a time to inform as we move into the future.

But what’s been most disturbing has been those in the Adventist fellowship who were aware of the mission-driven strategy of PELC’s clergy outreach, but chose to mischaracterize and malign it by using tactics and methods that were clearly ungodly, notwithstanding their perspective.

There were inaccuracies put out that purported to speak with fact that Bishop Jakes was coming to teach evangelism at PELC, preach sermons to Oakwood University students, and even bring the Sabbath sermon at the University Church. None of this was remotely true, but some for their own purposes advanced this story. There was one particular web site put up by a group of anonymous individuals that so mischaracterized this outreach to clergy, that people were emotionally caught up in these anonymous individual’s perspective without realizing that Ellen White encouraged the exact opposite to what this website was espousing. 

Our concerns heighten when misinformation strategies were deployed targeting Oakwood University students, and those anticipating attending Oakwood University. While Oakwood University is not linked to PELC at all, and has no purview over the speakers invited, we felt, given the impact on the University, that it was prudent not only to go in a different direction with our Non Adventist speaker this year, but to use this as a time to inform and dialogue about what it means in the 21st Century to reach out to clergy of other faith communities, in affirmation of Ellen White’s direct counsel in this regard. 

We invite and encourage both the North American Division and the General Conference leadership to speak strongly and decisively regarding ideological groups who use “attack” methodologies against their brothers and sisters to advance a point of view. This is ungodly behavior and must be termed as such. Silence in these regards only invites more of the same.

God is working in ways we don’t always immediately see, and thus our hope is that those who have been the most strident in advancing their views, will take time to reflect on the fact that we must take advantage of every opportunity to reach every one we can, even those who might on some points initially disagree with us.

The Pastoral Evangelism and Leadership Conference will continue to be firmly focused on evangelism and our passion in reaching everyone we can, as well as encouraging the same passion among our members: neighbors reaching neighbors, co-workers reaching co-workers, doctors reaching doctors, teachers reaching teachers, lawyers reaching lawyers, and pastors reaching pastors. 

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s masamba | Feb/19/12 03:02:17
we not surprised with this since we are aware that most of those occupying high positions are Jesuits and will not stop until they achive their ultimate goal. But glory to God for he shall come to take his holy church, not the SDA , but it will be made out of those individuals who did not fall prey to the devil when attacked the SDA as an organisation
 
Shellie Freeman | Dec/03/11 01:12:50
This is just one more opportunity for the leaders of this organization supported by the Adventist church to admit that they made another mistake. However as usual, they make hasty decisions without direct leading from God and they fail to seriously consider the consequences of their decisions. How long O Lord must we wait for Godly leadership in your church? How long O Lord, how long?
 
Shellie Freeman | Dec/03/11 01:12:50
This is just one more opportunity for the leaders of this organization supported by the Adventist church to admit that they made another mistake. However as usual, they make hasty decisions without direct leading from God and they fail to seriously consider the consequences of their decisions. How long O Lord must we wait for Godly leadership in your church? How long O Lord, how long?
 
Remnant | Nov/20/11 01:11:12
Its amazing that The Regional Conference Presidents, and the Pastoral Evangelism and Leadership Conference (PELC) seem to be ignorant of the fact that such speakers aren't to step on our pulpits, and that they, as stewards are to jealously guard it. LDE 179.3, "Many will stand in our pulpits with the torch of false prophecy in their hands, kindled from the hellish torch of Satan.... Some will go out from among us who will bear the ark no longer. But these can not make walls to obstruct the truth; for it will go onward and upward to the end." ST February 19, 1894, par. 4, "It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy."
 
Will Mc | Sep/13/11 05:09:52
Sounds like damage control to me. Blame those that have their own agenda or twisted ideology. But good points are made in the response to pull the invite to a very influential individual. Our church organization is very special and different from all other denominations. I can appreciate those that have fears of the decisions that some of our leaders make because the Adventist church on a whole is changing. In Old Testament times God's chosen people went and mingled with others that believed differently than they. The results are that His people soon started doing as the others did. Of course I realize that these other nations were enemies of God's people but a message is there for us to pay attention to. But could there be a spiritual enemy that is not seen with the naked eye? We are in a spiritual warfare and there are things that we do that seem harmless at present but the end results can leave a church devastated. Yes, Ellen White, who the Seventh Day Adventist church has accepted long before we were born as divinely inspired, wrote that our ministers should befriend other ministers should not be challenged. However, in no uncertain term should we close our eyes to the fact that Pastor Jakes is very, very influential, and I have no doubt that we do have ministers that desire to mimic what Pastor Jake does and desire to have what he has (wolves). We will eventually get to the point when we will not be able to stop our ministers from the decisions they make that appear and very well could be contrary to the direction the church should be going. If he or others like him are not allowed to come to us, I am very certain that our ministers will go to them. This will come around again. Other churches do not desire to borrow information from us. But we surely see something attractive in what they do. All of this points to the time of the end. Pastor Jake spoke on the subject of SABBATH once and I'm sure everyone that saw it was upset at how he literally "ridiculed" the Sabbath. There is and always have been "wolves in sheep clothing" and they exist even in our denomination. I am encouraged when I hear things such as these because our redemption draweth nigh. I will earnestly pray for our church because I love it. In conclusion no one is judging the fact that there are sincere hearted ministers of other denominations. But Pastor Jakes needs to be put in a position to learn the gospel that we have and not simply be allowed to use his gift of speech to influence people that should be teaching him. I for one rub shoulders and mingle with ministers of other denominations all the time but I am NOT ever considering having them to lead out, speak or teach in any way to our people. What we dont see with our naked eye is the most dangerous enemy. Love all people !
 
Jim R. Davis | Aug/23/11 07:08:20
Frank E. Legette III, on August 8 said that he was unable to find any reference to the quote allegedly taken from Ellen White. It is not my intention to help anyone decide if the Presidents' Council is right, even though I have read some interesting responses. I would like to verify that Ellen White did make the statement that has be quoted by our leaders. The statement is found in the book Evangelism (page 562-63)and begins with the following: "It requires much wisdom to reach ministers and men of influence. But why should they be neglected..." The context of the statement, I will leave the reader to decide... My input is meant to be purely informational, because I would be saddened if any of our members were to conclude that our leaders would deliberately deceive the Adventist Community, concerning any statement made by Ellen White.
 
Sarah Sulton | Aug/21/11 10:08:58
These are the EGW statements that the PELC are referring to: "We have a work to do for the ministers of other churches. God wants them to be saved. They, like ourselves, can have immortality only through faith and obedience. We must labor for them earnestly that they may obtain it. God wants them to have a part in His special work for this time. He wants them to be among the number who are giving to His household meat in due season. Why should they not be engaged in this work? Our ministers should seek to come near to the ministers of other denominations. Pray for and with these men, for whom Christ is interceding. A solemn responsibility is theirs. As Christ's messengers we should manifest a deep, earnest interest in these shepherds of the flock. {6T 78.1}" "Importance of Working for Other Ministers.--The wisest, firmest labor should be given to those ministers who are not of our faith. There are many who know no better than to be misled by ministers of other churches. Let faithful, God-fearing, earnest workers, their life hid with Christ in God, pray and work for honest ministers who have been educated to misinterpret the Word of Life. Our ministers are to make it their special work to labor for ministers. They are not to get into controversy with them, but, with their Bible in their hand, urge them to study the Word. If this is done, there are many ministers now preaching error, who will preach the truth for this time.--Letter 72, 1899. {EV 562.3} "It requires much wisdom to reach ministers and men of influence. But why should they be neglected as they have been by our people? These men are responsible to God just in proportion to the talents entrusted to them. Where much is given, much will be required. Should there not be deeper study and much more prayer for wisdom, that we may learn how to reach these classes? Should not wisdom and tact be used to gain these souls, who, if truly converted, will be polished instruments in the hands of God to reach others? . . . If we can win to Christ and the truth souls to whom God has entrusted large capabilities, our influence will, through them, be constantly extending, and will become a far-reaching power for good. God has a work to be done which the workers have not yet fully comprehended. Ministers and the world's wise men are to be tested by the light of present truth. The third angel's message is to be set before them judiciously, in its true dignity. There must be most earnest seeking of God, most thorough study; for the mental powers will be taxed to the utmost in laying plans which will place the work of God on a more elevated platform. That is where it should always have stood, but men's narrow ideas and restricted plans have limited and lowered it.--Review and Herald, Nov. 25, 1890. {Ev 563.1}"
 
Darius | Aug/21/11 10:08:38
What is the next step in this saga? Ministers of other faiths should refuse all current and future invitations to speak to SDA gatherings, both in solidarity with Bishop Jakes and as a matter of principle.
 
Pastor Trevor Ducreay | Aug/21/11 07:08:44
This is sad. I am no fan of TD Jakes and I wasn't looking forward to hearing him at this year's EC, but I understand and appreciate the value-added nature of this type of outreach to our church's evangelism. And I have been blessed by the appearance and presentations of Calvin Butts and Floyd Lake, ministers who are transforming lives and communities through their community-focused ministries. While I understand the reasons why SECSDA and PELC's leaddrship gave in to the demands of forces of hatred, deceit and ungodly tactics, I am saddened that they surrendered so easily. God help us if this is where this church is going. These evil doers posing as righteous watchmen are dishonoring Christ by employing deceit and lies to get their way, hurting the church's reputation and mission and maybe they are just too ignorant or hateful to understand how much they set back the evangelism prospects of the church they claim to love. This kind of outreach to non-SDA clergy is a valuable, cost-effective PR and evangelism outreach in and of itself. It opens doors and it shows our doors are open. Well I hate to be the one to inform these self-appointed gatekeepers that for dozens of years Ministry Magazine, subvented by church funds, has been sent to clergy of other denominations FREE. This kind of outreach has been a boon to the church in more than quantifiable ways. How do you put a value on how less weird and strange your church looks to other clergy? I have friends and colleagues who tell me that Ministry Magazine made them understand and appreciate Adventism's biblical and Christian bona fides, and to correct misinformation they had gathered even in Bible schools and seminaries about Adventism. Well I hope I have not started the next war on evangelism, but somewhere, somehow, the saner, if not the wiser, among us must stand up and declare this is fight worth having. We cannot give in every time to the forces of hate, deceit and ungodly tactics. Enough is enough!
 
J. M. Mystal | Aug/20/11 04:08:55
I am so sorry to hear that brethren T. D. Jakes is the one to guide you through.... By compromising with the world, the Lord will no longer work with you. That's a shame from you brethren. We are here to expose them, not to became friend with them. So, you tell the whole world that Catholic, protestant and adventist are the same thing. To the Law and to the Testimony! if we not speak like this, there is no light in them (among sda, no more light).
 
sherry dinkins | Aug/15/11 10:08:28
It seems the response was a little strong to the members. I think it could have stopped at the part about the prayer and left off the justification and anger about why they re-sended the invitation. I lived in Dallas, TX and attended Faith Temple in the Southwest Region Conference " 2215 Lanark Avenue " PO Box 226289 " Dallas, Texas 75222-6289 " Phone: (214) 943-4491 " Fax: (214) 946-2528. The pastors reached out to Mr. Jake's for years. He by his own statements is aware of who we are and what we stand for. Mr. Jake's was reached out to for years by our conference leadership. Your idea of reaching out to other pastors is good. To invite one of non-Adventist faith to speak at such an important event should be discussed at the highest levels of the church because of the impact it will have on the church as a whole. I was deeply saddened that someone who opening spoke against my faith was invited to speak caused be great concern. It personally upset me that someone who held my faith in such open contempt would be even considered for an invitation was confusing. Pastors reaching out should be same as members reaching out thorough friendship and love and bible study. If you were working with a non-leadership soul and they expressed such disdain for you as a Seventh-day Adventist pastor would you continue to work with them or would you respect their feelings and love and pray for them. You would not continue to force your belief's on them because they have made it clear how they feel about you and your church. Mr. Jake's has that same right to hold us in contempt. It is the right all of us have to chose their walk with God and we must respect their views. I think men are judged by their fruit. Mr. Jake's has made it plain that we are wrong in keeping the whole law of God which includes the 7th day Sabbath. He has expressed this view repeatedly from his pulpit. So not only does he disdain the ten commandments as written by God's on finger but he teaches his whole congregation and those who respect him to do the same. It is so much more than just inviting him to speak. If he had come and was accepted on such a level it would be saying to his church and those under his influence that the hand of God was wrong and that his "reasoning" is correct and those of us who follow the words written by the hand of God or wrong. We live in times that will try men soul to see if they will stand for the right though the heavens fall. The statements made by our president of the World church are worth listing to again that were spoken at the ASI meeting. My God help us all as we face similar choices in our daily lives to follow the hand of God or our own reasoning.
 
Good&Tired | Aug/10/11 09:08:50
@Pat & Erroll: WOW YOU ALL STILL DON'T GET IT! Are we supposed to be "protecting" our church from the world, or we are to go into the world BOLDLY attacking the gates of hell! Jesus never PROTECTED the church. He sent His disciples out as sheep among wolves. This is a useless argument! "A word to the wise is sufficient; A word to the unwise is unnecessary." I'm done.
 
Pat | Aug/10/11 08:08:59
Good & Tired, It's about time REAL SDA's stand up to the blatant apostasy in the SDA Church. Inviting TD Jakes is HIGH TREASON against the government of heaven. Yea, I'm sure Balak should be invited to the camp of Israel so we can witness to him, while he teaches us with his curses.
 
Errol | Aug/10/11 08:08:40
Like ancient Israel modern Israel is a rebellious, stiffneck people. How could these men in leadership position invite the Priest of Ekron to speak to God's people. Leadership has always been led in rebellion and apostasy. So it was in the days of the prophets, so it was in the days when the son of God walked in Palestine, so it was in 1888, 1901, 1903. So it will be, and is today! Neither TD Jakes nor most SDA leaders understand God's last message to a dying world. "Justification by faith and the righteousness of Christ are the themes to be presented to a perishing world" Letter 24 1892. What words/message from God can he (Jakes) give? Absolutely NOTHING!!
 
Good&Tired | Aug/09/11 08:08:48
I'm curious as to how many of those commenting have even been to "ONE" evangelism council! I find this to be appalling. Most Adventists I've talked to will talk about the "Adventist message," the 3 Angels and the Investigative judgment, etc., yet could not go to the Scripture, with no other "books" and explain ONE of those doctrines! Most of these arguments are based on emotion and hype. Adventists wake up!!! You don't even get serious about being "Adventist" until you find a "cause" to fight for. YOU HAVE MISSED A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY to be a witness to the most popular and influential preacher in America! (like him or not!) And you are supposed to be witnesses? I categorically disagree with the decision to "uninvite" TD Jakes, just because some "Tea Party" Adventists who have never visited the council got up in arms about his sermon on the sabbath. Did you even listen to his sermon? So what?? Will you not let the President of the U.S. come to your church because he supports a woman's right to choose abortion? Get real and wake up!!! The world is watching and today, we have been embarrassed by our separatist, elitist posture, hiding behind EG White. Yeah! I'm good and tired!
 
Good&Tired | Aug/09/11 08:08:48
I'm curious as to how many of those commenting have even been to "ONE" evangelism council! I find this to be appalling. Most Adventists I've talked to will talk about the "Adventist message," the 3 Angels and the Investigative judgment, etc., yet could not go to the Scripture, with no other "books" and explain ONE of those doctrines! Most of these arguments are based on emotion and hype. Adventists wake up!!! You don't even get serious about being "Adventist" until you find a "cause" to fight for. YOU HAVE MISSED A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY to be a witness to the most popular and influential preacher in America! (like him or not!) And you are supposed to be witnesses? I categorically disagree with the decision to "uninvite" TD Jakes, just because some "Tea Party" Adventists who have never visited the council got up in arms about his sermon on the sabbath. Did you even listen to his sermon? So what?? Will you not let the President of the U.S. come to your church because he supports a woman's right to choose abortion? Get real and wake up!!! The world is watching and today, we have been embarrassed by our separatist, elitist posture, hiding behind EG White. Yeah! I'm good and tired!
 
ebbony | Aug/09/11 12:08:47
Praise God! I'm so happy God's people have stood for truth and righteousness. A great victory has been won! Praise His Holy name.
 
Samantha | Aug/09/11 10:08:11
Quoting Joseph | Aug/06/11 08:08:56 In my opinion the explanation is worse than the invitation. ------------------------------------------------------------ It truly is and I am sorry to read it. May the scales be dropped from our eyes.
 
Carnell | Aug/09/11 07:08:22
@ Frank. That's what I'm talking about from both sides.
 
Frank E. Legette III | Aug/08/11 03:08:25
I'm a bit concerned here. I'm always concerned when we use Ellen White to justify our actions and yet there is no quote from Ellen White for all to read for themselves to ascertain whether or not one's interpretation of her comments are consistent with her writings. When I looked up the quote that the brethren used to justify their decision to have T.D. Jakes speak at the Evangelism Council, I typed the words "minister's and men of influence" into the EGW software and here is what I found. Ellen White used the word "minister's" - 212 times, the word "and" - 228,556 times, the word "men" - 43,127 times,the word "of" - 232,689 times and finally, the word "influence" - 15,313 times. However, not once did she ever combine them in one sentence to say "minister's and men of influence." I'm not saying she didn't say something of the sort, all I'm saying is if the brethren are going to use one of her quotes to support their argument then, you must certainly provide where the reference or quote is to be found. Come on people, we are the Seventh-day Adventist Church, with the number one educational system in the world amongst Protestant Churches - I shouldn't have to explain this to you. It should be a no-brainer. You can't use an Ellen White quote without an ACCURATE EGW reference. Is anybody feeling me? I'm not refuting their claims. I'm saying, show us the evidence and we'll all shut up! I don't expect this kind of shoddy research from Seventh-day Adventist professionals. Let's do better. We must do better.
 
M.S.Waters | Aug/08/11 11:08:19
Dear Brethren, God has given us great light to guide us into perfect truth, via his messengers. As Seventh Day Adventists we represent the 3 ANGELS, and if I am not mistaken, which I don't believe I am, those three angels in Revelation are quite clear to stay away from those 3 FROGS in Revelation, so you want PEACE, all tongues tied, no sounding alarms, then lets stop making and ENCOURAGING statements like this: " that it was PRUDENT not only to go in a DIFFERENT DIRECTION with our Non Adventist speaker THIS year, but to use this as a time to inform and dialogue about what it means in the 21st Century to reach out to clergy of other faith communities, in affirmation of Ellen Whites direct counsel in this regard." (THIS year, how long have the Angels been inviting th Frogs??? PRUDENT?? and DIFFERENT DIRECTION than what??) Please respond.
 
Brown | Aug/08/11 10:08:08
Jesus is the truth. The leaders prayed and made a wise decision. The issue is now settled. There is not a winning or a losing side. Let us also pray and move on. Let each one of us do our best to preserve the unity of the body. Let us pray and invite the Holy Spirit to continue to guide us in the truth. God is in charge.
 
Brown | Aug/08/11 10:08:19
Yes, the truth will set us free. Jesus is
 
Carnell | Aug/08/11 09:08:30
@Brown. No insult intended. I'm glad Im not Jesus as well. But the Truth will set US free.
 
Brown | Aug/08/11 09:08:42
They said "after much deliberation and prayer, to pull back on our invitation to Bishop T.D. Jakes to share a leadership presentation at this years PELC." We also need to follow the path of prayers and ask God to continue to reveal His light to us. Stop insulting each other. Carnell, I am glad you are not Jesus either. Let us all go to Jesus in prayers.
 
Carnell | Aug/08/11 08:08:58
Wouldnt this be a great opportunity to present Bishop Jakes a set of the Spirit of Prophecy books since most Seventh Day Adventist live by these books instead of the Bible. Yea I said it! Now think about it!
 
Carnell | Aug/08/11 08:08:58
Wouldnt this be a great opportunity to present Bishop Jakes a set of the Spirit of Prophecy books since most Seventh Day Adventist live by these books instead of the Bible. Yea I said it! Now think about it!
 
Carnell | Aug/08/11 08:08:59
I'm so glad none of you Brethern and Sisters are not Jesus with your comments.
 
Ted | Aug/08/11 07:08:38
Brethren, Do not be angry against each other. We all need to be saved thus we all need to be obedient to God's warnings. Sis. White never said to invite leaders of other denominations to teach us. Instead of interpreting sis. white's writings, why can't we just share her quotes and let people read for themselves? I invite all of you to read the chapter "False Shepherds" from Early Writings (http://www.gilead.net/egw/books2/earlywritings/ewindex.html). She said "God is displeased with us when we go to listen to error." Now we are inviting them to teach us their errors. We need to humbly go to God in prayers and thank him for the light shown.
 
M. S. Waters | Aug/08/11 06:08:49
Dear Brethren, You stated "While it should be noted that Ellen White directly encouraged reaching out in collegiality to ministers and men of Influence, How come you never invited the Pope!? T. D. Jakes openly rejects the Sabbath, not only that, he even BOASTS about it (Youtube), no apologies needed, courting of ideas leads to marriage of the same. Thank the Lord our Conference listened to the Holy Spirit.
 
Ann | Aug/07/11 10:08:35
How do we go to the world (who do not keep the commandments of God) to teach ministerial students, when God has given us the doctrines of our faith biblically? T. D. Jakes openly admitted that Seventh-Day Adventists are keeping the wrong day as the Sabbath. Why ponder over something like this on whether or not he should be the main speaker?
 
Ann | Aug/07/11 10:08:35
How do we go to the world (who do not keep the commandments of God) to teach ministerial students, when God has given us the doctrines of our faith biblically? T. D. Jakes openly admitted that Seventh-Day Adventists are keeping the wrong day as the Sabbath. Why ponder over something like this on whether or not he should be the main speaker?
 
Ann | Aug/07/11 10:08:30
How do we go to the world (who do not keep the commandments of God) to teach ministerial students, when God has given us the doctrines of our faith biblically? T. D. Jakes openly admitted that Seventh-Day Adventists are keeping the wrong day as the Sabbath. Why ponder over something like this on whether or not he should be the main speaker?
 
Ann | Aug/07/11 10:08:30
How do we go to the world (who do not keep the commandments of God) to teach ministerial students, when God has given us the doctrines of our faith biblically? T. D. Jakes openly admitted that Seventh-Day Adventists are keeping the wrong day as the Sabbath. Why ponder over something like this on whether or not he should be the main speaker?
 
J. Collins | Aug/07/11 06:08:03
I'm all for reaching out to members and ministers of other faiths. But why not sit down with them in private and discuss God's Word with them? Personal contact and forming friendships is always a great way of coming close to others. How would bringing a minister with completely different beliefs strengthen ministers of our most precious faith? - Joe C.
 
Mac Crockett | Aug/06/11 07:08:43
Clearly, this is not about simply allowing a non adventist minister to address the evangelism council. Rather TD Jakes has used his expansive platform to openly challenged the core belief of the 7th day Sabbath. I think this is the problem. I have attended evangelism council in the past and this was not an issue. We can learn from non adventistbut our Leadership must always remember to seek out the comments from the "Pew". In a multitude of counsel there is safety. Proverbs 11:6
 
Joseph | Aug/06/11 08:08:56
In my opinion the explanation is worse than the invitation.
 
O.A. Dennis | Aug/06/11 03:08:43
With the advent of fast moving electronic communication we must make sure our message and motives are clear from the conception in order to inform the people. The negitive add reached the mass before it could be cleared up. Let us close the door tighter with Jesus in our planning sessions before any premature leaks. Yes, the devil is very busy trying to foil our plans. I beleive the committee had good intentions. Brethen, Don't let this railroad the mission. My prayers are with you all. Peace and Blessing!
 
Jan Whittom | Aug/05/11 10:08:29
The tendency to hear a couple of facts, twist them, repeat them, fill in the gaps and then jump on a bandwagon is a shameful part of the SDA subculture that has chased me out of the church twice. Right now I am in the middle of a similar struggle but this time I'm fighting back! Reason and logic are God's gifts to us, to help us protect ourselves from deception and "groupthink".
 
phil | Aug/05/11 10:08:55
It's amazing that we relegate ourselves to ba a
 
Praise | Aug/05/11 07:08:23
i think its great that people stand for something. however, i wonder where were all these voices for the past several years when first day pastors were invited to preach! i'm not saying we're operating under sensationalism, but i speculate the uproar will soon die out and the next first day speaker will meet zero resistance. perhaps if the person invited was not world renown with little to no notoriety we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
 
Praise | Aug/05/11 07:08:23
i think its great that people stand for something. however, i wonder where were all these voices for the past several years when first day pastors were invited to preach! i'm not saying we're operating under sensationalism, but i speculate the uproar will soon die out and the next first day speaker will meet zero resistance. perhaps if the person invited was not world renown with little to no notoriety we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
 
Selwyn Carrington | Aug/05/11 05:08:46
I believe this is the right decision. Our SDA community is a small one and we need to keep it together. Potentially divisive decisions should always be well thought out, especially when they may have adverse impact on our community. Let's continue to pray for our leaders in these difficult times when very challenging decisions will have to be made. "Be wise as a serpent, and harmless as a dove"
 
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